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donutsweeper ([personal profile] donutsweeper) wrote2009-09-10 09:03 pm

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Holy crap Supernatural was good.

Vampire Diaries was a joke but Supernatural was incredible.

[identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com 2009-09-11 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I assume one of the reasons that Casteil appeared when he did at the storage locker was because SOMEONE was pissed at how Zachariah was dealing with things.

Although it's interesting. The Lucifer used psychological gobbley-gook to bend his vessel into accepting him. The angels were going for coercion through violence and implied murder. Who's the better party in that?

[identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com 2009-09-11 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
As far as Lucifer goes that makes sense. Christian myth is full of Lucifer being sneaky and getting people because of the 99.9% truth, and as for Zachariah........the in Dean's words the angel has been a douche since the beginning.

But it does bring up a question as to why they were taking that route, and why Micheal wasn't trying anything similar. That to me says he's not totally on board with ol' Z's plan, and either he or God is the reason Cas showed up when he did

[identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com 2009-09-11 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
That is a good question- where IS Micheal during all this?

And when did the angels learn Dean was his vessel? You'd think they would have used that as a way of gaining influence over Dean in the season finale- did they not know until the Dean/Bobby fight? Why plant the info about the sword's location? How much control does Zachariah have over Chuck's visions?

[identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com 2009-09-11 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I would think that Dean being Micheal's vessel would be the real reason they had Cas pull him out of Hell, because that is when they started the 'you have to stop the apocalypse' shpeal, which we know they didn't actually want him to do.

As for gaining influence, they never really tried very hard, Z doesn't really care what humans think so I don't think he tried to hard.

As for the control over Chuck's vision, it sounds like they induced a self-fulfilling prophecy, tell Dean the 'sword' is somewhere and when he arrives there the sword is there.
As for 'losing' the 'sword' aka Dean, Sam made the anti-angel detecting hex bags. Between those and whoever dropped Dean on the plane they probably did lose him for a while. Also think, they tried to hide Dean away in the finale, and would have succeeded if Cas hadn't interfered.