The Master

[donutsweeper]

Delgado vs Ainley.

Over the past week the kids and I have watched "Claws of Axos" and  "Logopolis."   And, I have to admit, I didn't see a huge difference in the two Masters. 

Simm!Master was an entirely different character, but these two seems almost the same.  What sort of differences do you see between Delgado and Ainley's Masters?

Comments

[pointytilly.livejournal.com]

To me...Delgado is classier (if dramatic), Ainley a bit more flashy/camp depending on the writing. They're both very classic villain and smooth, but with a slightly different feel to 'em. Uh. Somehow. I don't describe it well, do I?

Ainley Master was also flat-out nasty in Survival, which I really need a copy of.

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

No, that makes sense. Nearly identical, but not from exactly the same mold. Yes?

Survival is absolutely excellent. A very good high point for the show to go out on.

[aeron-lanart.livejournal.com]

I have the Survival dvd...

[rustydog.livejournal.com]

I didn't see that much difference either, but I haven't seen a *lot* of either of them. My main impression was that he was more ineffective than I expected. But fun! And obsessed with the Doctor. :)

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

I've seen other serials with the Master (more of Ainley then Delgado to be truthful), but I have to check to see which one is in which.

His plans are... interesting and ineffective. Logopolis in particular was sort of 'hmm, I had this great plan but missed the little detail the unraveled the universe. Silly me' errr.. okay.

Definitely obsessed with the Doctor though. Beating the Doctor, proving himself to the Doctor, besting the Doctor. Something

[becky-h.livejournal.com]

The big differences for me are :

1-) Ainley's way, way, more angry and less 'in love with'/obsessed with the Doctor than Delgado.

2-) Ainely is a less restrained and more straight up *mean*, no holds barred, batshit and sadistic than Delgado. Ainley is less the 'gentleman' villian, I guess.

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

Ainley is less the 'gentleman' villian

YES! That makes sense. I hadn't thought about it before, but I can really see that. Less polish and panache. More brutish.

[becky-h.livejournal.com]

Less polish and panache. More brutish.

EXACTLY. I can see Delgado and the gloves and the fencing and the refinement and Ainely is. I guess he's the start of a long downhill slide to Simm >.> Justification what? *cough*

[skipthedemon.livejournal.com]

I don't think you can hang out in the physical state that the Master is when he was crisp without losing it somehow. And yeah, getting downright mean seems to have been the reaction. That like about hanging on through hate springs to mind.

[becky-h.livejournal.com]

Oh yes.

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

oh, I forgot about his crispy critter stage. Bitterness abound

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

Actually I like your justification!

It's like Delgado was the gentleman's gentleman back in the day of lords and ladies- so far above the common man, Ainley's the upperclass thug of the early part of the century- still has all the learning and knows how to put on a good show, but doesn't really want to take the time or effort and Simm is a mogul- wanting to be on top of the corporate world and using whatever means necessary to stay there

[secbeth.livejournal.com]

Oooo Stop it!! I really want to write that essay on the Master!!

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

and this is supposed to encourage me to stop it... why? :)

[secbeth.livejournal.com]

lol Okay, Okay, but your just giving me more material to work on... I mean evolution of the Master, What's with the Master and women, And Ooo Look it's the Doctor and the Master!!

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

He's a fascinating character. But when I was trying to write for him recently I realized I couldn't really differentiate between Delgado and Ainley in my head and was trying to figure out what I missed. How he treats the Doctor, let alone the different Doctors, is a whole other kettle of fish!

[aeron-lanart.livejournal.com]

Ainley Master was more of a nutjob bascially. His regenerations had failed and he'd spent some rather unpleasant times as a rotting almost-corpse before nicking Tremas' body and starting afresh. If that wasn't enough to make someone crazy I don't know what is.

This is why I'll excuse Ainley master his excessive evil cackling - he'd flipped his lid completely as opposed to being just a nice classy common or garden sociopathic psychotic megalomaniac.

Delgado master had *style* but Ainley was more unpredictable and downright nasty (even with the evil cackling).

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

garden sociopathic psychotic megalomaniac

I am now picturing a school's slogan "Want to avoid being your garden sociopathic psychotic megalomaniac? Learn to rule the world in style* in ten easy classes or less.

*ability to rule the world not guaranteed."

Anyway... that's a good point. I think I need to watch more Delgado to really be able to tell the difference though